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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 19:25:12 GMT -5
^Sometimes that's good. Our sl wasn't the best we had (the 1st trombone is probably better) but he was the only non-freshman so he got the job, because he was the only one with experience
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Post by bandman001 on Apr 16, 2008 22:09:06 GMT -5
i moved from a place where section leader meant something to the north west. and the only place that section leaders do anything is in marching band and i quit that because i wanted more than they gave me. i was 3rd year in marching band one of the top 5 windplayers and was ready to teach people. instead i get a section of 2 others and myself, all of us are second years in the band (i marched one year in the south) and i get a part that is watered down because the some mellophones can't play the part so my "section" got cut from it too (they had a trombone section with valve trombones, totally useless). and now the bd is mad at me for quiting right after they started writing drill, but i don't care because he has never been the nicest person to me.
I'm also first chair trombone in a band where all that means is you get a better part. i can't even give advice, not because the bd says so but because NO ONE CARES ABOUT BAND AT MID-WEST SCHOOL'S. At least not as much as in the south.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2008 22:38:04 GMT -5
^lol yeah the south. HBCU's have the most bad ass marching anywhere and it trickles down. But you guys in the midwest have OSU....I guess one school isn't enough.
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Post by hardcorpsflute on Jun 3, 2008 23:38:21 GMT -5
Updation! Well, leadership was a good couple weeks ago, but results were in. I went for it, but I lost it to my better-playing friend. But I DID get hornline sergeant, so I'm inclined to say I did better than I expected. HS is an "officer-level" position by definition, so I get to go to retreat when we compete, and I get a pin denoting my status, and stuff. And I still get to help out with my section while also leading the entire hornline.
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Post by bariclaribob on Jun 4, 2008 17:52:08 GMT -5
^Good job!
I think it's important for a section leader to be able to lead (obviously), but I think they also need to be very good at their instrument. My logic: you can learn to become a better leader on the job, but it's difficult to become much better at your instrument. My mb section leader is definitely becoming more responsible as a result of her position, but then the music thing comes in. As sl, it is your job to make sure your section learns their music--right. I mean, she tells us to play our problem sections for her, which we do, but then she just says, "Good." She tells us exactly what the assistant bd says--"You tend to rush here" or "Make sure to drag on the triplets," but she doesn't know how to fix it. Choosing a perfect sl is impossible. The other thing is that your sls need to be mature, not that mine isn't. It's just that we spend a lot of our music-fixing time listening to the sl complain about our former sl. Granted, she was tough, but we actually improved :/.
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Post by samthered on Jun 6, 2008 11:55:31 GMT -5
^And she also spends full rehearsal time complaining about the former sl. It should be a mix of both. I've seen people try to lead who can't play their music correctly, and I've also seen those who can play extremely well who don't improve their section at all. My sl this year is a pretty good mix. She's not completely outstanding in either skill, but she knows when to listen to the other veterans' input and when to take control of the section.
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Post by spartanchick on Jun 8, 2008 21:29:14 GMT -5
I used to think that both playing ability and leadership but ever since Sl's were announced im thinking its more of a popularity contest more then anything
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Post by spartanbandgeek on Jun 9, 2008 2:20:54 GMT -5
I guess since she kept the same leadership....but this time she chose some instead of having students vote.
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Post by simthor on Jun 15, 2008 16:18:48 GMT -5
In Marching band, leadership should be one of the top priorities. Play ability should be a consideration but not so much. (S)He should be a section leader and make sure that the section can perform the steps, and that everything is managed on and off field. In Concert or Symphonic Band, however, leading doesn't take so much unless there are multiple sectionals. This doesn't usually happen so setting the example for playing ability should be considered the major priority. (S)He should be a first chair and focus on taking care of minor section problems and playing the music and your solos.
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Post by 1frodos1 on Jun 23, 2008 11:17:39 GMT -5
I got SL based on senority which can be a good thing.I'm going into my Junior year and all of the other flutes my age or older quit.I can play better than the two now sophs below my but theyve only been playing a year.I'm sure there are some freashmen coming up that are way better than me so i'm counting on them to deal with the musical side and i'll just teach marching and disipline.
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Post by trumellotonium on Jul 1, 2008 0:34:51 GMT -5
Updation! I DID get hornline sergeant, so I'm inclined to say I did better than I expected. Congrats on making horn sergeant! That's my position in my band. I find it strange that you are the horn sergeant yet not your own section leader- I serve as both section leader and horn sergeant for my band. Even if I didn't, I basically still would, since my position is above the section leaders. Have fun with your new position!
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Post by ~*Not~a~Stalker~* on Aug 6, 2008 20:48:39 GMT -5
I don't think that it should be determined by playing ability very much. They should be able to play and march well, because part of being a leader is leading by example and helping other people, but it isn't the big thing. Seniority should go into some account, but not all. Leadership should be the biggest thing.
See, there's four girls in the clarinet section this year. Senior, two sophomores -one being me - and a freshmen. The senior did not deserve the SL position. She was not a good leader. She tend to blow things out of proportion when they happen and talk out of turn and be generally uncooperative. My second year she got mad at a rehearsal and threw down her pretty , nice, Buffet clarinet on the ground. And it broke, of course. But, because of the new band director, she got it. He didn't know any better, having never been around her. So we're stuck with the crazy girl. I know I sound like a spoiled kid in this, but I'm serious. You would have to meet her to understand fully. And the fact that she marches wrong and can't play very well just ticks me off, considering the fact that she's been playing since 6th grade and took private lessons. The other day she had to ask me the fingering for an F, and on the first day of camp she asked our instructor if there was such a thing as an E#. I'm not quite as bitter as I was. The rest of us have just decided it will be easier to give her her year and work as a unit. -shrug-
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 21:28:18 GMT -5
My SL was chosen on playing ability only because we ran out of criteria. One of them was our sousa, who's entirely too sheepish for the job, and couldn't make it to band camp this year because of legit conflicts, another was me, but I'm quartermaster which is a whole 'nother bag of worms, which left our two trombones. Both are about equal leaders and the same in seniority, so it was the first trombone rather than the second, and they're both happy with that.
I agree that a perfect section leader is hard to find. They are out there--our trumpet SL last year was close--but overall, teenagers make really crappy leaders, especially of other teenagers. It's a matter of life experience and the fact that we love to challenge authority.
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Post by 1frodos1 on Aug 13, 2008 0:07:09 GMT -5
First day of band camp yesterday and most my freashmen can play well so i put them on first and stayed on second to help the others out.If i have a music question i ask a freshmen,I dont need to be the best they have to listen to me still, all the higher up's like me better
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Post by trumellotonium on Aug 14, 2008 22:20:48 GMT -5
The only reason I would say that a section leader should be the best player still comes after leadership. The reason, though, is that if like you mentioned above (frodos) you have to ask freshmen questions about much of anything, it may give them or others an impression that you're not really the one who knows what's going on. It's just kind of a total package thing.
However, leadership is still the crucial point. A good player with poor leadership does not make a good SL- which is why our solo trumpet will not be SL next year, for example.
My point is less that leaders should be chosen based on playing ablilty but more that leaders, once chosen, should strive to be the best example of everything, including playing.
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